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Post by martin » 2007-10-26 21:43

I'm sorry to disappoint you guys. I know you really want to see an alpha - so do I - but I am still very busy with other things which is bad. I simply suck at following my own time estimates and doubt I make it during the weekend since I have to work with other things. Haven't had a "free" weekend this month and this one won't be available either. :( I still need to replace the icons in the software, rewrite two functions which conflicts with the license I'm going to choose and test upgrades. I won't have the time to do this during the weekend.

I should probably stop giving out time estimates whatsoever since I never manage to follow them anyway. :-\

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Post by GlenC » 2007-10-27 01:20

14

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Post by Kaan1983 » 2007-10-27 15:19

I somehow knew it :)

Anyway dude, take your time and meet us with the best hMailServer release ever ;)

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Post by mbushaw » 2007-10-29 19:36

I use Scotty's Rule-
Promise 50% of what you know you can deliver.
Quoting the biography of Montgomery Scott [memory-alpha.org] at Memory Alpha [memory-alpha.org
"[H]is knowledge and ability to save the ship in a jam would eventually lead to his reputation aboard the Enterprise of that of a 'miracle worker'. This was brought about by his reputation for being able to effect starship repairs in much shorter time periods than were generally accepted as being required. Scott later admitted that he often padded his stated times needed for repairs by a factor of four, in order to appear that much faster."
My Corollary: Unless your figures will end up in Marketing or Sales, in which case promise 30%.

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Post by martin » 2007-10-29 19:58

Promise 50% of what you know you can deliver.
That's the easy part. The hard part is to know what you can deliver..

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Post by danny6167 » 2007-10-30 04:43

/me runs around in a circle screaming "NOoooooooooooooooo" and eventually runs in to a wall.

Oh well, waiting we shal do.

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Post by mvolovich » 2007-11-02 10:11

martin

Your program is very good, but I am strongly need shared folders to migrate to hmailserver. What about new date of alpha release?

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Post by ^DooM^ » 2007-11-02 10:38

mvolovich wrote:What about new date of alpha release?
When it's ready, hows March 2008?
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Post by martin » 2007-11-02 22:54

I won't give a date. The time I have available for hMailServer varies a lot from day to day and week to week so any date I could give would be extremly insecure since my workload isn't consistent.

There are three things remaining I need to fix. There's one piece of code which I need to rewrite since it's licensed under GPL, and I need to replace all the icons with a package I've ordered (because of licensing issues as well). Apart from this, the installation program needs to be updated to include MSSQL 2005 Compact edition DLL's.

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Post by PeterWeb » 2007-11-09 21:45

Take a weekend off, you've earned it. Longer if necessary.

FWIW (at this late stage), I think the strategies you propose such as escrow are a good solution for those concerned about hit-by-a-bus scenarios in a closed-source model.

The main downsides of closed-source will be lesser uptake - because some people DO search for that, and fear of complete loss of future support, along the lines of Pegasus. The latter is partly addressed by escrow, but that may not be obvious to casual evaluators.

For my small company, open source, freeware, or reasonably-scaled licensing fees are all the same - so long as the product is good, and happily supported by a happy developer. So of course it is your decision as to which model works best for you.

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Post by etko » 2007-12-10 21:04

Hi this is my first post here,

it is sad you decided to close your source for the server. I was trying to use X-MAIL, but as it lacks support for IMAP and there is no other solid solution with IMAP on Windows, I was happy to find hMailServer, just to learn that you decided closing the source.

It's not like that I am GPL zealot but after some years of slowly replacing almost everything we use in our business besides accounting sotfware and windows OSes itself with GPLed software (to reduce cost and get rid of licensing limitations), it's kinda dissapointing to lose package which one would like to start using. Anyway as long as there is codebase availible there is always possibility someone will take over.

On the other side I completely understand your concerns, as I realise that it's almost impossible for single person or small company to make money out of GPL software. So I am kinda uncertain whether to stick with this software, time'll decide I guess.

But I wanted to ask you something, you said were ripped by several other companies, I wnated to know whether you have request help from some freedom defending foundations? I guess that even FSF has some lawyers at theyr disposal to help devs.

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Post by martin » 2007-12-10 21:33

I wnated to know whether you have request help from some freedom defending foundations?
Yupp, requested help from one such organization but they didn't reply to my request. Have sorted it out myself though - got some money back from at least one of them. That was just one out of many reasons I've decided to go with closed-source though.

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Post by kenlinxp » 2007-12-12 17:58

martin wrote:I've decided to go with closed-source though.
Martin, I just setting up my hMS, it's a really good mail server for me. Thank you for your kindly share this source. I have no idea for how much I want to pay for hMS. Can you show me the service price or product price that you are planing for hMS even just a estimation price. I think this information is very useful for me, when next time I will setting hMS for my company that i work in.

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Post by martin » 2007-12-12 18:25

kelinxp,
hMailServer will continue to be free in terms of money. So 0 dollars or whatever currency you prefer.

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Post by SkipFitz » 2007-12-12 18:48

Yeah, but the American dollar has really taken a beating lately, so I'll probably have to pay double the zero price.

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Post by Kaan1983 » 2007-12-12 23:33

Yeah, actually nowadays 0€ is more prestigous than 0$, so better you pay 0€

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Post by danny6167 » 2007-12-13 14:01

hmm, How am i soposed to pay that price..... Well i haven't got any money at all ATM but is it alright if i send you a $0 gift card?

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Post by Kaan1983 » 2007-12-14 02:15

Well, you then will have to pay post expenses too, I think 0€ is already enough expensive... And imagine what's gonna happen if this 0€ gift card gets lost in the post... It can easily be stolen!
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Post by m33p » 2007-12-16 02:35

You should go after these companies if they are violating GPL...

http://www.softwarefreedom.org/

BusyBox developers have been filing lawsuits against these companies and getting out of court settlements.. weither u close the source or not... you should go after them.. Software Freedom Law Center will help you :)

I also hope one day you decide to go multi-platform and support Linux as it is growing and will be an even higher demand for more applications.. after all linux servers are superior to windows in stability and performance.. I'm sure if you did you would have more developers willing to help.. While Linux doesn't have a lack of MTA's... It does have a huge lack for simple easy to use mailservers... This may never happen but I'm hopeful it will...

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Post by phil54 » 2008-02-13 16:15

After reading this thread, i feel martin is definately doing the right thing going down the closed source route.

I'm not a programmer (cant program :D) but i couldnt imagine anything worse than creating such excellent software for some dodgy companies to come along, alter a few bits and then start selling for a profit!

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Post by *cc » 2008-07-20 16:05

after reading so many bad 0$ jokes, i decided to donate 25€!

i really don't think this is funny. :roll:

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Re: V5

Post by Kaan1983 » 2008-08-09 14:33

Sorry for the jokes, thank you for the donation :)

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Post by *cc » 2008-08-10 06:30

Kaan1983 wrote:Sorry for the jokes, thank you for the donation :)
well, still hoping for V5 to come out.

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Re: V5

Post by martin » 2008-08-10 12:06

It will...... :)

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Re: V5

Post by *cc » 2008-08-14 19:38

martin wrote:It will...... :)

god bless you that day! i need my unicode soon.... :D

edit: did i really type something about god? weird.....

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Post by Henry Sværke » 2008-09-04 06:46

I probably speak only for myself here, but open source is a cancer.

It's your app, your hardwork, your talent, keep it for yourself, there's absolutely no point in handing out your code to potential scammers, ingrates and mediocres.

Programmers may find themselves being unable to continue developing their apps as they normally would for a variety of reasons, still they wouldn't like their apps to "die" with them. What can be done? open source? nope, from the many poeple willing to get the source, do a research, choose the best and the most honest programmer (if there's any) and let him/her have it under a certain license disallowing the distribution of the source, modified or not, that's how it's done 8)

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Post by dstj » 2009-02-17 04:07

Hi Martin,

I don't want to reopen the debate on closed vs open source, you have your reasons. But I will make a suggestion : have you thought about selling the source code to those you want it?

I my opinion, having the source code "available" will alleviate the concerns of a closed-source software. At least for companies, the thought of a closed-source project that might stop being supported is terrifying. I worked in a dev team in a bank and all the .NET components we ever bought from 3rd parties (except Microsoft and other dinosaurs), we bought with the source code, just in case they disappeared in the wilderness...

I don't doubt your good will and good ethics, but I'll need to think it over more than once before installing a closed-source software on a production server, especially a free one that needs administrative privileges. Who knows what's buried inside?

That being said, I still think hMailServer is fantastic. ;)

Dominic.

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Re: V5

Post by ^DooM^ » 2009-02-17 11:31

V4 is still open source, you can download that and the source and read through the code to your hearts content :)
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