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Post by willemlaurentz » 2007-02-18 15:12

Hello Everybody,

I am using hMailserver 4.3 (latest stable build) on a Windows 2003 STD server (Pentium D 2.8ghz / 1GB / 250GB 7200rpm SATA). It is running smoothly and I am very happy.

There is only one tiny problem, I am forwarding e-mail from a local acount to an external address. (mail from willem@localdomain.tld goes to willem@externaldomain.tld). I configured that using the forward tab on hMail admin.

The thing is that the messages are received very quickly, and put into the outgoing queue almost instantaniously. However sending them to the external server takes some time, up to like 2 minutes. Is there any way to pinpoint the source of that delay? Or is that a feature by default?

I also enabled the cache and I am using 20 delivery threads. (It is a very low-traffic server, only 2 mailboxes are configured yet).

The SMTP server I am trying to forward to is "filter.exchange.exchange.wmit.nl" with address willem at exchange dot wmit dot nl. The delay doesn't seem to reside on that server, since e-mail sent to that address form another server (my ISP's smtp) is delivered directly.

Thank you in advance for any of your time!

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Post by martin » 2007-02-18 15:40

That's a feature by default to prevent larger problems occuring due to messages being forwarded incorectly. When a message is forwarded, hMailServer waits up to 1 minute before forwarding it.

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Post by willemlaurentz » 2007-02-18 15:45

Thanks for the quick reply! Is there any way to disable the delay. (if only for one e-mail account?)

The thing is that I am using a pushmail service to my mobile. It would be wonderful if I could override the delay. I understand the reason that it is there, but perhaps that there is a way to override it?

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Post by martin » 2007-02-18 16:19

No, no way to override. Normally the email will be sent within 30 secnods. So does it really matter? :)

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Post by willemlaurentz » 2007-02-18 16:52

Allright, I understand. It is not really really bad, but I tought the 'push' effect would be nicer if I could bypass it.

Anyway, thank you for the info!

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Post by willemlaurentz » 2007-02-18 22:49

Whoow, after several attempts via Microsoft Exchange, I couldn't get it working with my Nokia E50. The ....-ing exchange server was working with my phone, but not with my Apple Mail.App... _bleh_
After quite a while I decided to shut Exchange down and go back to the IMAP setup I had, using the hMailserver. Since I upgraded the mailserver from 4.2, to 4.3 there was a nice suprise for me...

The imap idle command! My phone supports it! and my e-mail is going like charm now! Pushmail it is after all!

Anyway, one question resides... My phone only downloads the headers from my IMAP folder. For about 50% of the messages it doesn't download the senders name, for the other 50% it does. Only after downloading the complete message, the sender appears in my inbox view. Do you have any idea what that is?

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Post by martin » 2007-02-18 23:00

I suspect that it can have something to do with how hMailServer formats the IMAP responses. The same problem sometimes occurs when using Mail.app. I'm planning to look into this issue but haven't had the time yet. Will probably do it during the upcoming week.

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Post by willemlaurentz » 2007-02-18 23:16

All right, no hurries. Just for your info: Mail.App is working like charm with hMailserver here.
Could it have something todo with the amount of headers the mailmessages have? Some mails travel longer so they have more headers? Or is that very stupid? (Since Nokia is probably attempting to minimize the required data traffic over GPRS / EDGE connections)

Please let me know if you find anything which might help this. If you want me to connect my e50 nokia to your test server, let me know.

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Post by martin » 2007-02-19 00:24

> Could it have something todo with the amount of headers the mailmessages have?

No, it's probably just depending on the message contents.

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Post by willemlaurentz » 2007-02-19 18:01

Martin, today I noticed that my phone displays the ecape "\" character in the message sender. So "willem (office mail)" becomes "willem\(office mail\)"
Also I see qoutation characters (") around some of the names.

Does that give you any help?

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Post by willemlaurentz » 2007-06-23 23:29

Dear Martin, any news on regarding this topic jet? I am using the current stable version, but still have the missing senders problem on the Nokia E Series.

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Post by martin » 2007-06-23 23:57

I haven't found any issues, and I don't have access to this cell phone. If you have an IMAP log which shows the error you can send it to me at martin@hmailserver.com and I may be able to see what's going on.

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Post by willemlaurentz » 2007-08-17 01:58

Hello Martin, this topic: http://www.hmailserver.com/forum/viewto ... 457df114af
describes the same problem, there you found a fix by changing some code. Is it possible to make this change in the upcomming new build of hMailserver? It seems that this problem is not just one phone but the entire Nokia E Series lineup (since they all use the same Series 60 3rd edition software). I have tested it with the E50 and E65 and both have the missing sender problem, just like described in the other topic.
Thank you in advance for you reaction,
Kind regards

edit: I found an emulator for Nokia Series 60 3rd edition:
http://forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.co ... .0-mr.html
Only, I am not sure if the emulator includes the mail application as found on the real handset.

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Post by shmuel » 2020-01-05 03:35

martin wrote:
2007-02-18 15:40
That's a feature by default to prevent larger problems occuring due to messages being forwarded incorectly. When a message is forwarded, hMailServer waits up to 1 minute before forwarding it.
Hey! Yes, for me it really bothers me that it is. Is there no way to cancel it today? :(

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Post by mattg » 2020-01-05 04:24

12.5 year old thread - still not a record here, but close

There is no way to change this behavior

What are you hoping to achieve? Perhaps there is a work around...
Why the need for instant??
1 minute isn't very long
Just 'cause I link to a page and say little else doesn't mean I am not being nice.
https://www.hmailserver.com/documentation

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Post by shmuel » 2020-01-05 13:48

mattg wrote:
2020-01-05 04:24
12.5 year old thread - still not a record here, but close

There is no way to change this behavior

What are you hoping to achieve? Perhaps there is a work around...
Why the need for instant??
1 minute isn't very long
Yes. It's useful that I have to correspond with people continuously, it takes time and it gets in the way. I don't really understand why you need it ..

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Post by mattg » 2020-01-05 16:05

mattg wrote:
2020-01-05 04:24
What are you hoping to achieve? Perhaps there is a work around...
Why the need for instant??
Try and answer the questions without being a smart alec, and you might get a reasonable answer
Just 'cause I link to a page and say little else doesn't mean I am not being nice.
https://www.hmailserver.com/documentation

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Post by shmuel » 2020-01-06 09:05

mattg wrote:
2020-01-05 16:05
mattg wrote:
2020-01-05 04:24
What are you hoping to achieve? Perhaps there is a work around...
Why the need for instant??
Try and answer the questions without being a smart alec, and you might get a reasonable answer
I do not understand. If you said you can't change it, what does it matter to me? It bothers me and I want the email to pass immediately. If you can't do nothing ... :( :(

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Post by mattg » 2020-01-06 09:43

email is rarely immediate

On many systems, mine included, it takes about 15 to 20 seconds to pass through my Spam testing, and that's if I accept the message. If I bounce the message well...

IF the message is for one recipient, but is to be forwarded to an address not the original intended recipient (and then not kept at original address) use an alias address instead

If the message is for multiple recipients perhaps try a distribution list instead.

If you need to send a copy to a set address, use a script to add an extra recipient as the message is being received.

So, again, what is your 'use case' for forwarding email automatically?
Just 'cause I link to a page and say little else doesn't mean I am not being nice.
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Post by shmuel » 2020-01-11 23:06

mattg wrote:
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So, again, what is your 'use case' for forwarding email automatically?
I automatically transfer messages to Gmail customers. And it bothers them that it takes a complete minute.

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Post by mattg » 2020-01-12 00:17

shmuel wrote:
2020-01-11 23:06
And it bothers them that it takes a complete minute.
Then hmailserver probably isn't the product for you

Your 'clients' should just provide their gmail address to whomever is sending the mail to them
If you NEED a copy, you could always download it via external POP3 download from gMail
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Post by SorenR » 2020-01-12 05:14

If your customers cannot wait 1 minute ... Problem is that they think they are "important", well - they are not, they are selfish.

Email was NEVER intended to be INSTANT - nor was SMS (mobile phone texting) :roll: SMS was created to use surplus capacity in the network and the SMS was sent only when network capacity allowed it.

Now, about being "important"...

A good test is to take a glass of water...
Put your index finger in the water...
Now quickly pull out your finger...
The bigger the hole in the water, the more important you are!
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Post by shmuel » 2020-01-12 08:35

Okay, I see, you don't have to make fun of me.

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Post by SorenR » 2020-01-12 14:19

shmuel wrote:
2020-01-12 08:35
Okay, I see, you don't have to make fun of me.
not making fun of you, making fun of your customers.
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Post by shmuel » 2020-01-12 14:35

SorenR wrote:
2020-01-12 14:19
shmuel wrote:
2020-01-12 08:35
Okay, I see, you don't have to make fun of me.
not making fun of you, making fun of your customers.
LOL. I realized. But I have a little annoying too.

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Post by SorenR » 2020-01-12 15:16

shmuel wrote:
2020-01-12 14:35
SorenR wrote:
2020-01-12 14:19
shmuel wrote:
2020-01-12 08:35
Okay, I see, you don't have to make fun of me.
not making fun of you, making fun of your customers.
LOL. I realized. But I have a little annoying too.
Well, I'm Danish... We do stuff, get things done and tell people off if they dont like. Self irony is also part of our DNA so most of the time we come across as rude ... ;-)

This should loosely explain who we are 8)
https://www.howtoliveindenmark.com/stor ... sh-humour/
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