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Development of HmailServer

Post by tejendra » 2010-01-30 15:39

Hi,

I want full source code ........i have source code but it will not debug.
i have compile successfully but i want to learn how hmail server working by a source code.
so plz give me full information.

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Post by mattg » 2010-01-30 15:47

from hMailserver Ver 5, hMailserver is NOT open source
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Post by pepsi » 2010-01-31 17:26

but version 4 is opensource and you can download it but v5 is not.

try to learn from version4

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Re: Development of HmailServer

Post by spades » 2010-02-16 18:05

There is broken link http://download.hmailserver.com/source/ ... -4-B287.7z on the page http://www.hmailserver.com/?page=download_source
How to download source code of version 4?

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Post by ^DooM^ » 2010-02-16 19:52

The download system was altered. You will have to ask Martin to fix the link.
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Post by martin » 2010-02-16 22:57

Back up now. I moved to a new server yesterday and forgot to add .7z as an allowed file type.

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Post by mattg » 2010-02-17 02:31

I am surprised at how many people still want the source for ver 4.

I suggest that the reasons detailed for wanting to go close source with Ver 5 (ie commercial entities 'rebranding' an open source product as a commercal product) still exist.

Not that it matters to me at all, but how long do you intend to continue to offer the source code for ver 4 Martin?
(for me - if development suddenly stopped, I would continue with hMailserver until I found an alternative. If hMailserver went commercial, I would buy licences but probably stop frequenting this forum)

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Post by martin » 2010-02-21 14:02

I suggest that the reasons detailed for wanting to go close source with Ver 5 (ie commercial entities 'rebranding' an open source product as a commercal product) still exist.
That actually just happend. A company in russia seems to have created a new email server based to 90% of hMailServer. The CEO claims otherwise, but ...

I don't know how long time I'll continue to distribute it. May remove it quite soon...

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Post by ^DooM^ » 2010-02-21 14:40

If that's the case I would remove it from download then.
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Post by DeanoX » 2010-02-24 03:28

I agree with DooM. Remove the download, and all the references to obtaining the source code for v4.

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Post by dzekas » 2010-02-24 07:21

DeanoX wrote:Remove the download, and all the references to obtaining the source code for v4.
read GPL. If you have product licensed under GPL, you must provide some way to obtain the source.

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Post by mattg » 2010-02-24 09:32

Is there a time limit that applies to offering source code?

Surely there are GPL'd software that have ultimately failed and the source is no longer available.
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Post by dzekas » 2010-02-24 09:37

mattg wrote:Is there a time limit that applies to offering source code?

Surely there are GPL'd software that have ultimately failed and the source is no longer available.
Even if there is no time limit, refusing to give source for GPLed product is against the license. When proposal to destroy any evidence of open source comes from software user, it shows that user does not think about future.

Maybe one day he will learn the lesson when software that is important for him will be no longer available or will cost his soul and firstborn.

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Post by mattg » 2010-02-24 09:45

Only your soul and your firstborn?
:evil: :evil:

So if Martin removes the ability to download earlier versions, he can then remove the source code too?
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Post by dzekas » 2010-02-24 10:03

mattg wrote:So if Martin removes the ability to download earlier versions, he can then remove the source code too?
"Source code for v4 available upon request". Done. No links to source, people can get it. This decision should be made by Martin and not by hMailServer end users. hMailServer end user happy about removal of source should contact his or her doctor or live in Soviet Russia (circa 1930-1950) and be happy about his/her rights and freedom.

I understand why Martin closed it, but I don't understand why users are happy about it.

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Post by ^DooM^ » 2010-02-24 10:57

Because we don't like to see Martins hard work ripped off by people who dont give a toss about the GPL.
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Post by mattg » 2010-02-24 11:06

It's not that I'm happy...

It's just that I don't care a lot about ver 5 being closed source.

Locally we have a saying 'Carefactor is low'.
I'm a capitalist, in a western society too. What comes around goes around. At the end of the day those who work well should be rewarded well.

I reckon that those who believe that open source software = freedom are communists at a basic level. 'All for the common / greater good.' Whilst I appreciate Martin for providing free software, I believe firmly that he has a right to be allowed to be compensated for his work. Making it free has made it accessible to the masses. Products can (apparently) be open source and still be commercial by nature. To each their own I reckon. As I said a little higher up this thread
mattg wrote:(for me - if development suddenly stopped, I would continue with hMailserver until I found an alternative. If hMailserver went commercial, I would buy licences but probably stop frequenting this forum)
Open source has nothing to do with my view.
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Post by dzekas » 2010-02-24 11:23

^DooM^ wrote:Because we don't like to see Martins hard work ripped off by people who dont give a toss about the GPL.
That's understanding why source is closed. Not something to be happy about. You lost some of your rights and freedoms when source was closed. You don't have to be communist or hippie to say "They who can give up essential liberty..."

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Post by mattg » 2010-02-24 13:15

dzekas wrote:You don't have to be communist or hippie to say "They who can give up essential liberty..."
Interesting choice of words that...

An apparent partial Benjamin Franklin quote no less.

I am intrigued by the concept of essential liberty and how that relates to open source software generally, and how in a marketplace of much software, some commercial, some open source, some free as in beer and some not so free, just how liberty is affected at all, let alone essential liberty.

But you are correct. Some of the modern era right wingers repeat this exact statement.

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Post by martin » 2010-02-25 20:56

To be honest, I haven't closed the door when it comes to releasing hMailServer as open source. I got angry when other companies released commercial closed-source software based on hMailServer 4 and now the exact same thing seems to have happened again. But I really like the idea of open source so I'm split in half.

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Post by collinsauve » 2010-03-04 17:29

You really should consider prosecution, or at the very least, contact the Free Software Foundation and see if they can guide you. I'd hate to see a quality open source product be defeated like this.

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Post by Slug » 2010-03-07 11:27

Bit late on this but ...

My take on this is simple, V5 is by far a more superior product then V4 (I'm sure no one disagrees with me). Because of this fact, if companies wish to release products or versions based on old code then let them. Do not loose any sleep about this fact. No more work should be done by Martin on V4 code hence all bug fixes etc will now need to be provided by the company / person releasing their product based on V4 code.

As hMs continues to move forward then the gap between V4 and V5, V6 etc will grow to the point where the companies using Martins work will actually have to do something rather then just re-branding code and calling it theirs.

One thing can be certain paying customers will demand new features etc over time. Thus putting Martin in a better position to perhaps offer to release V5 (not the source) re badged for a fee to these companies (just an idea).

But my point is don't cry over spilled milk. V4 is in the Past V5 etc is the future.

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Post by maggiore81 » 2010-08-06 22:10

martin wrote:
I suggest that the reasons detailed for wanting to go close source with Ver 5 (ie commercial entities 'rebranding' an open source product as a commercal product) still exist.
That actually just happend. A company in russia seems to have created a new email server based to 90% of hMailServer. The CEO claims otherwise, but ...

I don't know how long time I'll continue to distribute it. May remove it quite soon...

Can you please tell me of wich product we talk about?

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