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by jim.bus
2021-04-11 10:06
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Log for use
Replies: 4
Views: 1471

Re: Log for use

I am getting this same error message when using the latest software release and am trying to create the db on the same server, and the same file path (different folder) as the actual software. You should probably start your own topic. But did you do what the error message said to do and check your ...
by jim.bus
2021-04-09 11:27
Forum: General discussions
Topic: E-Mails from other domains dont reach the mail on hmail server
Replies: 2
Views: 61

Re: E-Mails from other domains dont reach the mail on hmail server

Also, based on what you have said you have done and I am being very literal here in what you have said you had done, you haven't bought a Domain with a Domain Registrar and you haven't set your DNS up so that sending Email Servers know where your hMailServer is. So, the sending Email Servers do not ...
by jim.bus
2021-04-09 00:42
Forum: General discussions
Topic: ERROR: unable to bind to address using cloudflare
Replies: 30
Views: 266

Re: ERROR: unable to bind to address using cloudflare

Usually my spelling in english is better than my (native) danish and I frequently mock journalists for not being able to pass 5.th grade tests. My issue really started a few years ago when my Dell Latitude CPi 650 died. I have been using Dell laptops since 1998 and grown accustomed to their keyboar...
by jim.bus
2021-04-09 00:36
Forum: General discussions
Topic: ERROR: unable to bind to address using cloudflare
Replies: 30
Views: 266

Re: ERROR: unable to bind to address using cloudflare

A police officer, notorious for bad spelling, is set to interrogate three theives, Tim, Bob, and Joe. When asked who he thinks will give up the location stolen goods, he replys “Only Time will tell” Grey/gray has two spellings to teach us that things aren't just black and white. :mrgreen: But at le...
by jim.bus
2021-04-08 23:45
Forum: General discussions
Topic: ERROR: unable to bind to address using cloudflare
Replies: 30
Views: 266

Re: ERROR: unable to bind to address using cloudflare

You never heard of the rouge email clients before? Nasty little suckers them rouge clients ;-) I think someone was writing with dyslexia. Nah, all the letters are there only in the wrong order. It happens when I think faster than I type - and forget to proof read my text. 8) Exactly what I was refe...
by jim.bus
2021-04-08 22:43
Forum: General discussions
Topic: ERROR: unable to bind to address using cloudflare
Replies: 30
Views: 266

Re: ERROR: unable to bind to address using cloudflare

hMailServer doing its job protecting you from rouge email clients. It doesn't do too bad against yellow, green or blue ones too. :mrgreen: [Entered by mobile. Excuse my spelling.] You never heard of the rouge email clients before? Nasty little suckers them rouge clients ;-) I think someone was writ...
by jim.bus
2021-04-05 10:28
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Error sending emails to an external server hmailserver?
Replies: 12
Views: 154

Re: Error sending emails to an external server hmailserver?

( have you put up a relay or a route in hmailserver to itself ? ) - It seems that I didn't do anything like this, I have a vds and I just want to set up mail for my site on it, so that I would have a full-fledged mail server on my machine. You seem to indicate you are not using a Relay pointing to ...
by jim.bus
2021-04-02 07:47
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Installation error: "The set-up failed to set the service dependency"
Replies: 8
Views: 178

Re: Installation error: "The set-up failed to set the service dependency"

I do not know about Windows Server 2019 as there may be difference with Windows 10 Pro (which is what I use) but my User Account ID is desiginated as Administrator and I do not have to specify Run As Administrator.
by jim.bus
2021-04-02 00:04
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Installation error: "The set-up failed to set the service dependency"
Replies: 8
Views: 178

Re: Installation error: "The set-up failed to set the service dependency"

I use MySQL and the general instructions I have found and the way my installation is set up using hMailServer Vestion 5.6.8 and MySQL Version 8 is:
1. hMailServer Log On credentials are 'Local System.
2. MySQL Log On credentials are 'Network Service'
by jim.bus
2021-03-28 22:55
Forum: General discussions
Topic: How to log headers sent during SMTP client session?
Replies: 10
Views: 243

Re: How to log headers sent during SMTP client session?

If you are not already doing so you should select all the hMailServer Logs and look at them after recreating the problem. The full set of Logs may give you the necessary information. The Log Entries you show seem to indicate a problem with mail sent to a Verizon Postmaster indicating a possible Volu...
by jim.bus
2021-03-27 11:55
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Outlook Client and HmailServer
Replies: 7
Views: 259

Re: Outlook Client and HmailServer

Are all email being received with Outlook coming from your hMailServer? In other words, does Outlook receive email from other email servers other than your hMailServer such as GMail, Yahoo, etc. How many Email Accounts is Outlook configured with to Receive email? It is possible that Outlook is recei...
by jim.bus
2021-03-25 20:41
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Outlook Client and HmailServer
Replies: 7
Views: 259

Re: Outlook Client and HmailServer

Thank you for that, i am using IMAP and outlook does not generate any errors. Like i said i can wait a long time with no emails, when i check my mobile indeed there are in my inbox and once i close and reopen outlook it appears. Note: the send and receive settings for online and offline are for 1 M...
by jim.bus
2021-03-25 01:10
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Outlook Client and HmailServer
Replies: 7
Views: 259

Re: Outlook Client and HmailServer

You don't give much indication if there are any Outlook Client Errors being noted. Have you checked the Send/Receive Errors? One thing that comes to mind is perhaps your other accesses through Mobile and Webmail are locking your Inbox. I will periodically get such an indication with my Outlook Clien...
by jim.bus
2021-03-24 01:01
Forum: General discussions
Topic: New server, MySQL to MSSQL
Replies: 5
Views: 230

Re: New server, MySQL to MSSQL

I am practically a nothing installation extremely few users but I've installed MySQL 8 and have used MySQL 5.7 before MySQL 8 with no problems. I usually just install MySQL and never bother to Update it and it works just fine. One caveat though with MySQL 8, if you are using hMailServer 32 bit versi...
by jim.bus
2021-03-16 12:23
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Trouble Creating New SQL Database
Replies: 15
Views: 539

Re: Trouble Creating New SQL Database

However, the developer of hMailServer doesn't appear to be too active anymore and whether or not one will officially be made available on hMailServer.com I cannot say This post (and his subsequent 2 or 3) might give you a clue to his mind set. https://www.hmailserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=21371...
by jim.bus
2021-03-16 06:33
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Trouble Creating New SQL Database
Replies: 15
Views: 539

Re: Trouble Creating New SQL Database

Why are you using MS SQL Express? Would you be open to using MySQL Database which is a commonly used Database Server for hMailServer. There are freeware versions of MySQL Database Server. With it you can install MySQL either while installing hMailServer 5.6.7-B2425 or install it before installing h...
by jim.bus
2021-03-14 20:24
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Trouble Creating New SQL Database
Replies: 15
Views: 539

Re: Trouble Creating New SQL Database

Why are you using MS SQL Express? Would you be open to using MySQL Database which is a commonly used Database Server for hMailServer. There are freeware versions of MySQL Database Server. With it you can install MySQL either while installing hMailServer 5.6.7-B2425 or install it before installing hM...
by jim.bus
2021-03-14 10:05
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Trouble Creating New SQL Database
Replies: 15
Views: 539

Re: Trouble Creating New SQL Database

I do not know MS SQL Express nor do I know why you would get the Permission Error for what I am about to ask but I will ask this question. What version of hMailServer did you use. The latest Stable hMailServer 5.6.7 is B2425. It is 32 bit and the link you used for installation instructions refers to...
by jim.bus
2021-03-10 20:37
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Autoban not working?
Replies: 17
Views: 661

Re: Autoban not working?

AutoBan only apply to number of invalid commands or number of failed logons. Your logs do not reflect either. It's not a bug in AutoBan, it is a shortcoming. It can be argued that trying to logon when logon is disabled could be concidered "an invalid command"... That's why I designed the IDS system...
by jim.bus
2021-03-03 10:26
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Error 530 when using distribution list
Replies: 20
Views: 759

Re: Error 530 when using distribution list

Distribution list is public and dosen't require smtp authentication. It has to be this way. Both machines are on different LANs and has different external IPs ranges. Servers may be within the same range however if one of our internet link fails, but that happens very rarely. I've got both external...
by jim.bus
2021-03-02 22:30
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Error 530 when using distribution list
Replies: 20
Views: 759

Re: Error 530 when using distribution list

Require SMTP Authentication If this checkbox is selected, hMailServer will require SMTP authentication for deliveries made to the list. If you select this option, only users with accounts on the server will be able to send email to the distribution list. I'm guessing this setting has to be off or t...
by jim.bus
2021-03-02 21:50
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Error 530 when using distribution list
Replies: 20
Views: 759

Re: Error 530 when using distribution list

Thinking out loud. The problem appears when the list post originator and the post recipient are on the same domain, but these connections are going to appear to be coming from either the loopback address or a adapter-assigned LAN address. So try creating an IP range for those nets and disable requi...
by jim.bus
2021-03-02 21:07
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Error 530 when using distribution list
Replies: 20
Views: 759

Re: Error 530 when using distribution list

Should also check how the Distribution List is defined. I didn't see any indication of how the Distribution List was configured. The Distribution List can dictate if Authentication is required.
by jim.bus
2021-03-02 20:47
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Error 554 Too many Simultaneous Connections
Replies: 7
Views: 333

Re: Error 554 Too many Simultaneous Connections

Check hMailAdmin>Settings>Protocols>SMTP The max number of Simultaneous Connections should be set to zero (meaning unlimited number of connections) by default. That's Incoming I think, not outgoing. @uni What is your setting for Protocols >> SMTP >> Advanced >>Maximum number of recipients in batch ...
by jim.bus
2021-03-02 13:42
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Error 554 Too many Simultaneous Connections
Replies: 7
Views: 333

Re: Error 554 Too many Simultaneous Connections

Check hMailAdmin>Settings>Protocols>SMTP

The max number of Simultaneous Connections should be set to zero (meaning unlimited number of connections) by default.
by jim.bus
2021-03-01 06:05
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Autoban not working?
Replies: 17
Views: 661

Re: Autoban not working?

Add the entries below to the end of the Configuration File, c:\Program Files (x86)\hMailServer\Bin\hMailServer.ini. [settings] DisableAUTHList=25 ; Setting DisableAUTHList allows you to specify a comma-separated list of SMTP ports which authentication should not be enabled for. ; This is useful when...
by jim.bus
2021-02-28 23:07
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Using home server with dynamic IP address
Replies: 8
Views: 334

Re: Using home server with dynamic IP address

You need to show all your logs. Go to hMailAdmin>Settings>Logging and select all the Logs. Then recreate the problem. Also I would probably show the Logs from the Log Files rather than show the entries you find under Status. You can reach those Log Files on the same Logging Window where you select a...
by jim.bus
2021-02-25 00:20
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Emails stoped working?
Replies: 4
Views: 285

Re: Emails stoped working?

This looks like an error that needs correcting. Test: Test outbound port SMTP relayer is in use. Trying to connect to host mail.millsstores.co.uk... Trying to connect to TCP/IP address 77.72.0.98 on port 25. ERROR: It was not possible to connect. You seem to be using mail.millsstores.co.uk as an Ema...
by jim.bus
2021-02-22 05:58
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Login
Replies: 17
Views: 637

Re: Login

I registered my domain from Freenom. How to connect the nameserver to hMailServer and use it to connect my mailbox? You are again showing you really don't know how email works. You should research how email works or perhaps if you want your own Domain what you should do is try transferring your Dom...
by jim.bus
2021-02-22 05:40
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Login
Replies: 17
Views: 637

Re: Login

Which page is to find the nameserver? I cannot find it. Again from your questions, you do not sound like you know what email is all about. The way you word your question, it makes me think you expect to find the Nameserver as something you set up with hMailServer. If you do then you need to stop lo...
by jim.bus
2021-02-21 20:34
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Login
Replies: 17
Views: 637

Re: Login

Again what kind of problem connecting. State the exact error message. State what you are doing to attempt the connection. In Outlook you must specify a hostname for hMailServer. You don't have to specify to us what the hostname is but tell us how you set up that hostname for instance. It should be ...
by jim.bus
2021-02-19 22:04
Forum: Off-topic discussions
Topic: Corona Virus
Replies: 272
Views: 97975

Re: Corona Virus

I interesting definition of "won". So what... Republicans lost! No. Republicans won across the board because they rode the coattails of a very popular president who garnered more votes than any other candidate in history... .... except Joe Biden who got over 7 million more. Just saying. And Hillary...
by jim.bus
2021-02-16 06:03
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Unable to install using mysql
Replies: 5
Views: 360

Re: Unable to install using mysql

how did you come to aquire your 32 bit libmysql.dll file ? Pretty sure he doesn't have any libmysql.dll. But yeah, search is our friend. Oh, he probably does have a libmysql.dll file, he just doesn't know it probably is the 64 bit libmysql.dll which you get when you install MySQL Version 8 which of...
by jim.bus
2021-02-15 21:03
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Location of forwarding delay setting in source
Replies: 15
Views: 677

Re: Location of forwarding delay setting in source

I am not a coder but I found this on an old Post for an older version of hMailServer. I suggest you read the whole post as there seems to be more involved than just changing the time interval. https://www.hmailserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13201&hilit=forwarding+delay There is an item in the ...
by jim.bus
2021-02-15 20:48
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Unable to install using mysql
Replies: 5
Views: 360

Re: Unable to install using mysql

One other possible problem may be that the last I heard MySQL had stopped support for 32 bit MySQL in Version 8 which is what you are using. It was advertised that for an unspecified time Version 8 would maintain Legacy support for 32 bit applications which means when you install MySQL 8 you had to ...
by jim.bus
2021-02-14 23:55
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Login
Replies: 17
Views: 637

Re: Login

Again what kind of problem connecting. State the exact error message. State what you are doing to attempt the connection. In Outlook you must specify a hostname for hMailServer. You don't have to specify to us what the hostname is but tell us how you set up that hostname for instance. It should be a...
by jim.bus
2021-02-12 14:19
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Spam on same domain email addresses
Replies: 11
Views: 655

Re: Spam on same domain email addresses

Believe palinka is asking the right question because although I couldn't find this exactly documented in the Help Documentation, I wouldn't expect hMailServer to DKIM Sign or check SPF entries when downloading email via POP3 to an Email Client. From what I could verify in the Help Documentation hMai...
by jim.bus
2021-02-10 11:12
Forum: Development & alpha discussions
Topic: Manual Adding New IP Range To Ban IP Address Is Displayed Red And Included With Autoban Entries
Replies: 3
Views: 755

Re: Manual Adding New IP Range To Ban IP Address Is Displayed Red And Included With Autoban Entries

Perhaps that is the case as I did enter an Expiration Date and my other Manual Entries did not have an Expiration Date. However, while my manually entered IP Range Entry with the Expiration Date did not show that particular Entry labeled as an Auto-ban Entry. On the hMailAdmin Status Window, it was ...
by jim.bus
2021-02-10 06:56
Forum: Development & alpha discussions
Topic: Manual Adding New IP Range To Ban IP Address Is Displayed Red And Included With Autoban Entries
Replies: 3
Views: 755

Manual Adding New IP Range To Ban IP Address Is Displayed Red And Included With Autoban Entries

I believe there may be a minor problem/bug in Version 5.6.8-B2534 which was released as Beta recently. When manually Adding an IP Range Entry (one IP Address in this case) to manually Ban that IP Address, the Added IP Range Entry Displays as a Red Entry and is included with the generated Autoban Red...
by jim.bus
2021-02-10 02:35
Forum: General discussions
Topic: 550 Unknown User (again)
Replies: 3
Views: 265

Re: 550 Unknown User (again)

Difficult to tell what you are doing. But first you should upgrade hMailServer to the current version. You are using an old version. However, any Domain (Domain2 in this case) defined as a Domain within hMailoServer is considered a Local Doamain. When hMailServer sends to a Local Domain, hMailServer...
by jim.bus
2021-02-09 13:40
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Allow empty sender address
Replies: 5
Views: 400

Re: Allow empty sender address

I don't have any information about this except to point out the hMailServer Help Documentation recommends to not Disable this option as there are Legitimate senders who will send with an empty Sender Address. Therefore, I guess, you could say the Developer of hMailServer believed this to be the case...
by jim.bus
2021-02-08 23:58
Forum: General discussions
Topic: No WOL (Wake On LAN)
Replies: 6
Views: 486

Re: No WOL (Wake On LAN)

The solution for you is to not use Wake On LAN (WOL). But rather do everything with the same setup but on the Network Interface Controller (NIC) Adapter settings under Power Management remove the requirement to wake only on a 'Magic Packet'. This will allow your Windows PC to wake when a data packet...
by jim.bus
2021-02-04 06:45
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Help! Block Some Yahoo, Gmail and Outlook.com email
Replies: 18
Views: 1377

Re: Help! Block Some Yahoo, Gmail and Outlook.com email

Is there a commonality to the emails such as the sender is always the same or portions of the subject and/or body of the message are the same. If so and depending what it is, you could create a rule in hMailServer to test for these values and execute an action based on a match with the search criter...
by jim.bus
2021-02-02 13:39
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Can I do this with hMailServer?
Replies: 9
Views: 1079

Re: Can I do this with hMailServer?

Thank you for your answer. My problem is not to bundle several incoming mails into one access point, because already old Outlook Express could check multiple mail accounts and present the inboxes in one application or one window. My problem is that I might be grounded in hospital for a longer time ...
by jim.bus
2021-02-02 13:15
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Can I do this with hMailServer?
Replies: 9
Views: 1079

Re: Can I do this with hMailServer?

Update to my previous post: You would still have all your individual Email Accounts set up individually in the Windows 10 Mail App but all Email Accounts set up in Windows 10 Mail App would deposit the email from the individual Email Accounts all into the same Inbox. You would then if you wanted to ...
by jim.bus
2021-02-01 23:15
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Can I do this with hMailServer?
Replies: 9
Views: 1079

Re: Can I do this with hMailServer?

If I understand what you want correctly, you don't need hMailServer to do this. Windows 10 Mail (otherwise may be called Mail for Windows 10 or the built in Mail app for Windows 10) will do this for you. You just configure your email accounts (POP3 or IMAP) in the Windows 10 Mail set up and indicate...
by jim.bus
2021-01-29 23:12
Forum: General discussions
Topic: DKIM Key Format
Replies: 28
Views: 3289

Re: DKIM Key Format

You should just on General Principals updeate to the current version of hMailServer. You are running an obsolete version of hMailServer. Latest version on web is 5.6.8 B2534 ... The B2535 I have only have changes to the Development Test system so no need to go public with that version. Well, and a ...
by jim.bus
2021-01-29 21:53
Forum: General discussions
Topic: DKIM Key Format
Replies: 28
Views: 3289

Re: DKIM Key Format

You should just on General Principals updeate to the current version of hMailServer. You are running an obsolete version of hMailServer.
by jim.bus
2021-01-29 21:47
Forum: General discussions
Topic: DKIM Key Format
Replies: 28
Views: 3289

Re: DKIM Key Format

Everything I get from FedEx gets marked as SPAM by my hMailServer. It is possible that the DKIM Key is screwed up on FedEx's Domain. I use GoDaddy and it was a bitch to get the DKIM Key inputted correctly on their TXT Record for my Domain. Nobody knew at GoDaddy how to do it. I had to experiment by ...
by jim.bus
2021-01-29 13:47
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Problems with creating a mail adress
Replies: 35
Views: 3830

Re: Problems with creating a mail adress

Have you forwarded port 25, 110, 143, 465, 587, 993, 995 to your Local Network (LAN) IP Address assigned to the computer hMailServer is running on and opened the same Ports in your PC Firewall that hMailServer is running on? Both need to be done in order to connect to hMailServer from an Email Clien...
by jim.bus
2021-01-26 03:00
Forum: Off-topic discussions
Topic: Corona Virus
Replies: 272
Views: 97975

Re: Corona Virus

I believe neither of you (mattg or sorenr) are getting the point. What I described was still voting. With the system as it currently is, the only choices for voting are the Nominees on the Ballot except for the Write In Option. But if we want none of the Nominees we have no other choice (except for ...
by jim.bus
2021-01-26 02:45
Forum: General discussions
Topic: I cann't send and receive mail, All is correct
Replies: 4
Views: 1227

Re: I cann't send and receive mail, All is correct

You don't give enough information. You should make sure all your Logs are selected. Attempt to send and receive email and show the Log Entries produced for those attempts . This will show for one thing at least. Whether or not your hMailServer is being connected to. You can also substitute your mail...
by jim.bus
2021-01-21 07:17
Forum: Off-topic discussions
Topic: Corona Virus
Replies: 272
Views: 97975

Re: Corona Virus

Constitutional Democracy as I believe most democratic countries are is so for a reason. You elect a groupe of people to govern on your behalf (so YOU don't have to) and then YOU can go do something else. Stop interrupting them while they govern and allow them to get things done! If you believe they...
by jim.bus
2021-01-21 02:16
Forum: Off-topic discussions
Topic: Corona Virus
Replies: 272
Views: 97975

Re: Corona Virus

Does your speaker of the house wield power? Our Speaker is a token figure with little authority, and essentially a wasted vote in the house. I can't give you specifics but Speaker Of The House does have leadership power meaning s(he) does set the Agenda and what gets voted on. Speaker Of The House ...
by jim.bus
2021-01-21 00:37
Forum: General discussions
Topic: But.. I don't have .net on the current server and it works?
Replies: 5
Views: 1421

Re: But.. I don't have .net on the current server and it works?

I am not an expert on this question but it sounds to me that you may be using an older version of hMailServer and installing it on Windows Server Version 2019. Windows Server 2019 is not the official supported list of Windows Server but hMailSever will probably run on it as I know for the longest ti...
by jim.bus
2021-01-20 21:53
Forum: Off-topic discussions
Topic: Corona Virus
Replies: 272
Views: 97975

Re: Corona Virus

My understanding was in the beginning the Founders never intended there be a Party System and I don't believe you will find any references to a Party in the Constitution or at least the Original unAmended document. I for one don't want to see any Party System where one Party is always trying to keep...
by jim.bus
2021-01-16 06:01
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Hmail not delivering emails anymore
Replies: 15
Views: 2240

Re: Hmail not delivering emails anymore

Ulimetic wrote:
2021-01-16 04:55
Jim.bus, thanks again, I create a cert with letsencrypt and activated SSL in TCP/IP!
Everything seems to work just fine!!!
Thanks again
You also need to add the Certificates in Settings>Advanced>SSL Certificates. Otherwise there will be no Encryption.

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by jim.bus
2021-01-16 03:13
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Hmail not delivering emails anymore
Replies: 15
Views: 2240

Re: Hmail not delivering emails anymore

Yes, so many people only display a subset of all the Logs and for me only a portion of the Logs is no good. I need all the Logs to have a chance of determining what the problem is. So you aren't the only one to not show all the Logs. I just think it is good practice to always show all the Logs and t...
by jim.bus
2021-01-16 03:09
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Hmail not delivering emails anymore
Replies: 15
Views: 2240

Re: Hmail not delivering emails anymore

One other thing. You've specified security levels such as TLS Versions but yet you do not have any Security Certificates set up for hMailServer. So, even if you do specify to use TLS 1.0 through TLS 1.3, there will be no Security Certificates to use with TLS so no encryption will occur. This should ...
by jim.bus
2021-01-16 02:37
Forum: General discussions
Topic: Hmail not delivering emails anymore
Replies: 15
Views: 2240

Re: Hmail not delivering emails anymore

While we wait for jimimaseye to reply, you should check to use TLSv1.3. Currently you are not using TLSv1.3. TLSv1.3 is one of the main reasons to be using version 5.6.8-B2534. When version 5.6.8 was created for some reason TLSv1.3 wasn't defaulted on and in my opinion should be defaulted on. It is ...