Iran Missile retaliation attack on 2 US-Bases in Iraq

[Dravion]

Its right now in the news.
I believe Iraqi and Brittish Soldiers could be dead or wounded as well. News reports indicating that 1 Base was fully destroyed by 10 Surface to Surface Missiles, launched by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

PS:
Trump warned, he will fight back even harder
as the Iranians did. In this case it could be a Tomahawk Attack on atleast 4 Military Installations
or something in similar.

[katip]

there are news about 20 losses incl. some UK personnel too. not yet confirmed though..
next few hours very critical. this is WAR without if and but.

[mattg]

US news and very limited news coverage here in Australia is still saying NO CASUALTIES.... from today's attack

[katip]

Iranian state television said: at least 80 "American terrorists" were killed
https://www.dw.com/en/iran-fires-missil ... a-51923868
"Make the lie big, keep it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it!"
(Dr. Joseph Goebbels - genius perception manipulator of modern times)

[Dravion]

Iranian state television said: at least 80 "American terrorists" were killed
https://www.dw.com/en/iran-fires-missil ... a-51923868
"Make the lie big, keep it simple, keep saying it and eventually they will believe it!"
(Dr. Joseph Goebbels - genius perception manipulator of modern times)

Wow.
There was also a news where Iranians warns the US, if they proceed they will destroy the City of Haifa (Israel) and Dubai as well.
Trump has announced he will Announce this Morning (US-Central Time) how the US will react.

As far as i know, the fastest Strike capabilities in the region is to bomb the shit out of Iran is to launch dozens of Tomahawk
Cruise Missiles from Destroyer Warships and Submarines. A Military Expert described, the US is capable to destroy any launch sites and
other Ballistic Missile Installations so Iran is out of Business for a while, Military wise (IMHO this would be the best response i guess).

[jimimaseye]

What a fuss over nothing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51028954

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei said the attack was "a slap in the face" for the US.

"Aw diddums. He slapped me."

[Dravion]

Hmm, looks like nobody was killed and Iranians warned the US about incomning Missiles shortly after launch.

Ok, a few Million Dollar Damage. Could been worst.

[palinka]

Iranian state television said:

Rainbows and virgins for everyone!

[katip]

there is a saying in my country: Mountain gave birth to a mouse

what actually was all that noise (Suleimani + missile attack) about?
i mean, which step of which strategic plan was it - in your opinion?

[Dravion]

there is a saying in my country: Mountain gave birth to a mouse

what actually was all that noise (Suleimani + missile attack) about?
i mean, which step of which strategic plan was it - in your opinion?

I think this was not the end of this.
I watched Trump TV-Announcement yesterday.
They make it very clear. Iran is not allowed to have the Bomb but Iran is now enriching Weapon ready Uran in large amounts.
There is a point in time, where military action is necessary to stop the enrichment process, because sanctions and political solutions have
failed every time in terms of Iran. The same goes for Northkorea. I bet Kim watches carefully what happens next with Iran.

[jimimaseye]

There was already an agreement on restriction of creating nuclear capability for Iran, brokered by obama and agreed by iran and the rest of the world. But Trump ripped it up because obama did it.

Yes he did.

For Trump vanity is far more important than world peace.

(Iran refuses too release the plane black box probably because they know it will implicate them) .

Welcome to 2020 every one and another year of Goons for presidents or leaders.

[Entered by mobile. Excuse my spelling.]

[Dravion]

There was already an agreement on restriction of creating nuclear capability for Iran, brokered by obama and agreed by iran and the rest of the world. But Trump ripped it up because obama did it.

Yes he did.

You mean this (JCPOA) peace of Garbage?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nucl ... _framework

This meant nothing to Iran. They enriched Uran while JCPOA was in place and chanted death to USA and Israel
all the time. Besides this, it was a time LIMITED agreement which was running out and after it, Iran can do what ever they want anyways.

[katip]

I think this was not the end of this.
I watched Trump TV-Announcement yesterday.
They make it very clear. Iran is not allowed to have the Bomb but Iran is now enriching Weapon ready Uran in large amounts.

Trump's speech sounded to me too soft though not very different of what is spoken since decades.
when i think about assasination of a major Iranian military and public figure followed by a rather dubious missile attack as retaliation (which looks like a deliberate and possibly "pre-advised" miss), i don't believe this is simply just "Trumpish we know.."

[Dravion]

I think this was not the end of this.
I watched Trump TV-Announcement yesterday.
They make it very clear. Iran is not allowed to have the Bomb but Iran is now enriching Weapon ready Uran in large amounts.

Trump's speech sounded to me too soft though not very different of what is spoken since decades.
when i think about assasination of a major Iranian military and public figure followed by a rather dubious missile attack as retaliation (which looks like a deliberate and possibly "pre-advised" miss), i don't believe this is simply just "Trumpish we know.."

I agree.
IMHO:
I think a joint military strike against all Missile sites and Nuclear Factories in Iran with maximum economic sanctions on top of it (checking all imports) at sea and air should make
it way harder for Iran to do anything silly. You don't need to invade Iran. A Nuclear Weapon which can kill 100.000 Humans and more within seconds and radioactive pollute the
Ground for Decades is nothing i want see in the hands of a crazy Ayatollah, who continuously threatening other countries like Israel or Dubai to destroy it, if the bomb is ready.

[jimimaseye]

You mean this (JCPOA) peace of Garbage?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nucl ... _framework

This meant nothing to Iran. They enriched Uran while JCPOA was in place

Yeah. Because the agreement allowed it.

You mean this (JCPOA) peace of Garbage?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nucl ... _framework

chanted death to USA and Israel all the time.

No relevance to the point being made. (I slag my boss off endlessly but still expect him to pay me)

You mean this (JCPOA) peace of Garbage?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_nucl ... _framework

Besides this, it was a time LIMITED agreement which was running out and after it, Iran can do what ever they want anyways.

Yes, as most agreements are, during which, progress is made and a review/renewal can be discussed afterwards. Trumps alternative - not have the agreement and bring that eventual "do what they want" scenario forward to now. Yeah, that's progress. Bravo Trump.

[palinka]

Yeah. Because the agreement allowed it.

Of course it did. The point of the agreement was to give Iran nukes. That's why it had to be ripped up. The whole thing was modeled on idiot Clinton's NORK-NUKE deal. That one worked out great.

I'd like my pallets of cash back, plz....

[Dravion]

I dont see Iran or Nortkorea giving up Nuclear Weapon ambitions. They will do anything to get Nukes, no matter what.

For Japan, Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the moment to step down. Maybe Iran needs the same experience to wise up.

[katip]

let me ask a question: who should have nuke weapons?

[jimimaseye]

let me ask a question: who should have nuke weapons?

Define the condition that qualifies "should" and then we can determine what countries qualify. ("Should" implies 'requires' or needs rather than 'desires').

Maybe someone would make the argument that any country that is in the path or threat of another countries nukes should have some too (for defence).

So, therefore, everyone... or no one.

[Entered by mobile. Excuse my spelling.]

[Dravion]

Its a fact that countries who developed Nukes never get rid of them. The only way to avoid more Nukes is to stop its development in the first place.

Next Problem is, Nukes are to dangerous espacialy in the Hands of Fanatics and the Iranian Leaders are Religious Fanatics.

The other Problem is, if Northkorea develops Nukes, Japan and Southkorea will do it as well. If some one makes a Mistake or initiates a Attack, both sides will be destroyed within 20 Minutes. We talking about Million Victims and Radioactive Wastelands, toxic for decades. Even if you avoid the Explosion and Heatwave, you will be crippled, bleed to death in extreme pain.Also Nuclear Winter will impact Worldwide Tempetatures which has a extreme impact for food production. Even if only India and Pakistan having a Nuclear Exchange, it will have Gobal consequences.

No.
Spreading of Nukes must be avoided at all costs!

[palinka]

Spreading of Nukes must be avoided at all costs!

Stuxnet 2.0 seems like a pretty cost effective solution.

[Dravion]

Yeah, that was a good one but i doubt the Iranians can be fooled twice with the same trick again.

Besides this, its not funny if a centrifuge is about to explode. Its like a small bomb and if multiple centrifuges explodes you better run.

[palinka]

Yeah, that was a good one but i doubt the Iranians can be fooled twice with the same trick again.

Besides this, its not funny if a centrifuge is about to explode. Its like a small bomb and if multiple centrifuges explodes you better run.

That's a bad thing?

Anyway, since Snowden only released about 1% of what he's holding, who knows what they still have up their sleeves?

By the way, I recently learned that someone I had worked with pretty closely a very long time ago was/is a go-between for Julian Assange. I won't name her, but she was caught up in recent Trump investigations, which is fairly shocking to me since she is an avowed communist agitator. I think any assistance she may have indirectly provided to Trump was thoroughly secondary to whatever her motivations are for helping Assange.

[katip]

let me ask a question: who should have nuke weapons?

Define the condition that qualifies "should" and then we can determine what countries qualify. ("Should" implies 'requires' or needs rather than 'desires').

Maybe someone would make the argument that any country that is in the path or threat of another countries nukes should have some too (for defence).

So, therefore, everyone... or no one.

[Entered by mobile. Excuse my spelling.]

English is not my mother tongue but i used "should" correct. let me explain.
man invented this evil (and already used it!) and will have it. there is no return to pre-nuke. let's be realistic.
you did a good formulation: everyone or no one, where latter is unfortunately not (no more) possible.

nuke weapon for defence is not an option, however perfectly deterrent.
so, why not "everyone" who can afford it's R&D?

[Dravion]

@katip

True, you cannot go back post-nuke but you can try tostop anybody else to develop such a horrible Weapon of Massdestruction. The most states of the World have submitted to the idea to forbidd and punish states who wants to develop such Weapons.

Constructing a A-Bomb is not hard nowdays.
All Infos are available. The simplest form (Hiroshima type) can be done by letting 2 halfspheres of Enriched Uranium Collide, thats it - BOOM!

The only hard part is to enrich Uranium.
This is a long and time consuming process to harvest it.

The best way to stop it, is to destroy the Uranium Enrichment Installations.