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michaeljwyo

Thank you Mike. Good point. Probably pretty rare but worth putting in as well...especially if something turns really ugly with a member and we boot him...it'd keep them from replying to the message and "retaliating" on-list.

michaeljwyo

Okay...it's working! :) Two problems. You were right. I did NOT have it below the "cleanaddress" sub...it was above. So I moved it. 2nd problem - In the rule, you had said it needed to look for "To:" and criteria "list address." I changed it so it looks for the PROXY address. Now it works. I think t...

michaeljwyo

Okay so here is a good chunk of my eventhandlers script...most of the top part where all the subs are. I got nothing. The rule still isn't working. We changed something around the 18th of december. If you look back at the thread there is a mention where I said "there used to be a prefix before the s...

michaeljwyo

Is there somewhere in the script where I actually put the subject prefix? You have brackets in quotes and list address. Should I change that?

michaeljwyo

Yep. That's how I have it. And nope. Still no prefix

michaeljwyo

Thanks guys. Mike, I tried what you said. No errors, but it just doesn't work. Soren - I think the code you sent looks very similar to the sub that's already there: Sub AddMLPrefixToSubjectIfMissing ( prefix, listAdress, message) If InStr(1,LCase(message.To),LCase(listAdress),1)>0 Then If NOT InStr(...

michaeljwyo

Soren - thank you for all YOUR help...problem no longer isn't any kind of spam flagging and so forth. We got that solved by using the proxy account to forward to the list. Works perfectly...no spam problems at all. Problem we were trying to solve here was to get it to check the distribution list mem...

michaeljwyo

Hi Mike So I tried changing the password. You were right in that yes it contained an @ symbol. Still didn't make much difference. I thought what I would try to do is disable the 2nd rule...the one that looks for the "x-member-of-list" header. That way that rule couldn't kick it out. So with only the...

michaeljwyo

Thanks again for your time, Mike. Okay so I actually got an ERROR_hmailserver log. I think that might be what we're looking for. Here's what we got upon me sending my test email: "ERROR" 11544 "2021-01-11 08:33:58.667" "Script Error: Source: Microsoft VBScript runtime error - Error: 800A0046 - Descr...

michaeljwyo

I think I may have another clue - it looks like it's not even logging on to the account. All accounts will show "last login" and a time....and it doesn't show anything happening. So there is something there that's not quite right. Hope that helps

michaeljwyo

Okay so I think I got everything right. The mailbox for smailuser = abdx@abdx.org and the smailpass= (the password) . And the account is indeed server level. It appears that the header is still not getting added to the message. Everytime I send a message through, I check the logging and it says : "S...

michaeljwyo

Okay thank you guys. Sorry about the other really long post. TMI that nobody needed to know. Thank you for coming up with something, Mike. Like I said I get lost in the scripts and variables - can you be more specific in what exactly I need to replace? smailuser and smailpass on lines 13 and 14? Is ...

michaeljwyo

Thank you Mike. I know this has really turned into a project and a half! Throughout all of this I sure have learned a LOT about scripting and coding. But not enough to start writing. Just looking through the eventhandler script and trying to understand it all. Reminds me of when I learned BASIC some...

michaeljwyo

Thanks Mike. That didn't really do anything or stop the looping. It worked as far as just changing over to announce mode. In announce mode, the only one that can post is the proxy. Then it goes out to all the members. We are so close. I really wish there was some way to maintain a text file or somet...

michaeljwyo

I sure wish we wouldn't have to do that, but I know that would work. I am still trying to solve the looping problem. I tried putting a rule in the proxy account using the custom header field. I figure a message coming back over to the proxy from the list (because the proxy has to be a member of the ...

michaeljwyo

Ooops...spoke too soon. should have looked first. Yes, individual email accounts can have their own rules. Setting up a rule right now.

michaeljwyo

Okay...some preliminary results. Just making a forwarding account worked. Didn't adjust any scripts or anything. Didn't put in anything new. Only added the account that we would send to that automatically forwards to the list. Works good. Passes SPF perfectly. Original poster's name is there. Reply ...

michaeljwyo

Okay...another question. So what happens when people reply? Reply-to would need to be the address that everybody sends to. Is that where it's going to go? For example: I create an actual distro list called "messages@abdx.org" with all the list members. Meanwhile abdx@abdx.org is the address that peo...

michaeljwyo

Hmmm..I'd be willing to try it. So...the list name is abdx@abdx.org. In order for people to send something to the list they would have to email a different address...one that I set up to automatically forward to the abdx@abdx.org address. Do that using the method you described in your post...the one...

michaeljwyo

Is there something I can do to our spf record? "v=spf1 include:_spf.google.com ip4:65.38.140.167 ~all" I can change it in any way need be. This particular email happened to be sent to the list from my vcn.com account. People are sending from all their different accounts. I sent to the list from my g...

michaeljwyo

btw, pulled the "rule" and did the revisions from Soren. Does nothing except if you hit reply it replies to the originator and not to the list. Otherwise same SPF failing and as far as the look of the messages it looks like it always did (and should) with the originator's name in the email client.

michaeljwyo

there wasn't even a "settings" section in the hmailserver.ini file. So I added it and I added the line to it. Yes it works but it's doing what I was talking about. In Outlook or Gmail, when your have your list of emails, instead of showing it's from me, it shows it's from the list. When you open the...

michaeljwyo

Not sure where to find that. Where do I look?

michaeljwyo

You bet . Here you go: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Delivered-To: michaeljwyo@gmail.com Received: by 2002:a50:bc15:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id j21csp597951edh; Thu, 7 Jan 2021 08:47:17 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzw+Yle1XxKzPUq2iZSKDVSdG6eLO1lfRT00pUC...

michaeljwyo

Ok then it is what it is. will leave it alone. Now with the scripts, I did do both modifications. I am not sure whether it was the rule, or Soren's script changes, or both. It did work to an extent for the "on behalf of" the we were trying to achieve. However, the problem was, is that when the messa...

michaeljwyo

Okay got it figured out. Here's how I broke it: A couple of days ago, I changed the ports in order to try to quit being hammered by spammers. So I had changed the mail SMTP from port 25 to port 256. So, in order to get things working, I re-added port 25 for SMTP protocol. I would rather not do that....

michaeljwyo

Thanks...will try that. In other URGENT news, something happened and I am not sure what. I didn't think putting subroutines in the script would make any difference and I don't think it did but everything quit working. I don't know if it's something on my part. I tried fixing things but maybe made it...

michaeljwyo

Mike-might be a stupid question, but what do I put as the script function when I set up the "run function" action?

michaeljwyo

Wow Thanks Mike and Soren. Can (should) I try both of your ideas? Sorry...was on vacation for the holidays. I noticed that yes things are working better but still having some things come up in gmail as "be careful with this message" so it's not perfect and I'd like it to be.

michaeljwyo

Wow...yeah looks like it can be a pain and I bet Soren could shed a little more light. I would like to attach my eventhandlers.vbs and my .hms files so you guys could see, but I can't figure out how to attach them here. The system tells me "invalid file extension .vbs"

michaeljwyo

Yep I have seen a lot of lists like that. Our old Yahoogroups list did it. I just don't know how to make this one do it. I have been looking for a lot of those variables.... like where the envelope is and where the variables are and how they are compiled. I don't see them in the hms file. I think I ...

michaeljwyo

Something else I wanted to ask about too. I noticed everything is working great and i do have a feeling it does have something to do with not modifying the original message. The messages don't have the prefix on the subject. I've already told the users we may have to live with it that way but I was ...

michaeljwyo

Gotcha! So...it's on their end. I could ask my guy over there to add ABDX's IP to his spf and it should work, right? I don't need to do anything else to MY SPF, right?

michaeljwyo

Well I am not sure what they do. So you tell me...do I need to have them? Like I said, right now everything seems to be working. On my other issue, could it be with my ISP's SPF record? My spf record has my IP4 in it with my server's IP address. Here's first chunk of an email that I sent to the list...

michaeljwyo

I removed it now. I hadn't removed it. Everything still seems to be okay except one crazy thing I am trying to track down. If I send an email to the list from my personal email from my ISP (michaelj@vcn.com) the list sends it back to me there, and also to my gmail account. In gmail, that message com...

michaeljwyo

Okay so I decided to try it. I replaced the "sub onacceptmessage" routine with what you wrote. Holy sh*t! I think you got something there. It worked. Google shows neutral on the SPF and a pass on both DMARC and DKIM! And this was using my Yahoo account to send the test message. Hell even right there...

michaeljwyo

Soren - should I try that code? Put it in the eventhandler file? Do I need to take anything out? Or just replace the "sub onacceptmessage" subroutine?

michaeljwyo

Thanks guys. I did try adding that line to the INI file. About all it did was change the SPF from a SoftFail to neutral. DKIM and DMARC still fail. That's using the link that you sent at appmaildev.com . What I have been using, to give it a real test, is composing a message with my Yahoo mail accoun...

michaeljwyo

Here's the whole header from one. This message was sent from the sender (his domain is centurylink.net) to the list (abdx.org) and from there to my main email (michaelj@vcn.com) Return-Path: <paul.armani@centurylink.net> Delivered-To: michaelj@vcn.com Received: from darmstadtium.vcn.com (darmstadtiu...

michaeljwyo

So when we talk about re-writing the envelope, is this what we're doing? Quote from google: "If you're a mail server administrator Ownership and Filtering We recommend that you do not change the envelope sender when forwarding email to Gmail. Sometimes, when forwarding email, the envelope sender get...

michaeljwyo

Oh wow. What a pain. I know that our list was with YahooGroups before. Never had a problem there. My worry, of course, is that we will all get messages from abdx@abdx.org and not know who they are from. With most distribution lists the message shows the original poster it came from. At least I have ...

michaeljwyo

Because that is the original poster. He sent the message to our list "abdx@abdx.org". And the list sent it to me. That's how it's supposed to work, right? The list receives it from his gmail account, the list puts the prefix [abdx.org] onto the subject line, and then sends it out to all the users on...

michaeljwyo

Thank you for the idea about looking at the header. Not only that but when you "show details" in chrome it analyzes it right away...plus shows all the header info. Here's a screenshot of it. screenshot1 (2).png Yet everything is good as far as I know. And it says it fails all 3! SPF, DKIM, and DMARC...

michaeljwyo

Okay guys. I tried the tools you mentioned. I like mail-tester.com as well. I am 10/10 with them. They are really happy. I am registered with Google's postmaster tools. However I don't get any analytics or statistics or anything when I go there. Just shows my domain there and that it's been verified...

michaeljwyo

Thanks Mike Giving that a try. Will report back. One thing I did notice was that I copied the text from one of the headers and put it into Google's Google Admin Toolbox and it analyzed it. Comes back with an SPF Softfail. Not sure what is causing that "softfail". As far as I know, everything with SP...

michaeljwyo

I searched and didn't find any info about this other than what I posted in my last question. I have been trying to combat this for so long now. I have been using HMS for 10 months now. I have checked over and over and over with authenticating. DKIM and SPF are good. Reverse DNS is good. BTW I am usi...

michaeljwyo

Thank you for your replies. It really seemed like at that point, everything really was working well except for Yahoo. Now it's all screwed up again. I will post a new topic, or research it since I am sure I am not the only one here that has ever fought with Google giving all the list messages the bi...

michaeljwyo

Hello again - after 10 months of running HMS I think I finally figured out all the security / anti-spam stuff with DMARC and DKIM and so forth. Looks like at this point almost all the users on our list are getting things, and they are not going to spam or being flagged with Google's "be careful with...

michaeljwyo

Thanks Soren
Even putting it in autoban, the probes were still coming in. I ended up just adding a rule in the firewall. Stopped it dead in its tracks.
Thanks for your help. Really hoping this will help things move along better.

Michael

michaeljwyo

I am having a really tough time with this one. So I am not understanding why when the server really isn't doing anything, or should be because there are messages in the queue, it keeps connecting to the same ip addresses. I just am not sure what the hell it's doing. Here's a section of the log: "TCP...

michaeljwyo

I've been running Hmailserver since January and honestly I have it dialed in pretty well. Using it for a mailing list (listserv type). We have been having some issues lately with some things getting rejected (especially by Yahoo) and I noticed that the emails coming from our list had a red lock on t...

michaeljwyo

I am using for my distribution list so basically "only list members" can post anyway. That part seems to make it work fine and not let anyone else post anyway. I am just not sure how that one got through. I am using the event handlers script that someone here on the list created so it's more like a ...

michaeljwyo

Yes it gets marked as spam...and gets sent out to the list members. However, you did make a good point and yes the email address it's sent from is a good point. I just tried to send the spam message using an email address that is not part of or listed anywhere in the script as an allowed address. It...

michaeljwyo

Thank you Soren for your response. I decided to try to make rules that are identical to yours, of course with a different forwarding address. Still doesn't work. I just don't understand why the rules don't work. I have my little "test" distribution list set up. There are 3 members of that distributi...

michaeljwyo

Thanks guys for the insight. Not a problem with the scoring...I get that part. What I am trying to do is to keep the email from going out to my list and get sent to only me. This is what is happening right now: Message comes in...it's addressed to the list (abdx@abdx.org) SpamAssassin grabs it becau...

michaeljwyo

Hmmmm. Sounds like I need to play around with the rules some more, then. But what you're telling me then is that the answer is NO, SA does not maintain its own rulebook as to what to do once it flags something as spam and re-writes it with the spam tag. Right? Everything is done there in hmailserver...

michaeljwyo

Thanks Matt. Yes I'm using the hmailserver rules. I got a chance to see the looping that the server logs were talking about. It IS looping. I wonder if it may have something to do with the fact that the address I want the spam-tagged email (after it goes through SA) sent to, is also a member of the ...

michaeljwyo

Hello - I have been trying to solve this for a few hours now. I have a distribution list. I have SA implemented here on my hmailserver. Last night I had a spam message come through...it was addressed to the distribution list. (abdx@abdx.org). So...SA worked great. It caught it. It put its header on ...

michaeljwyo

I'm a little (ok probably a lot) green on scripting. Yeah it's kind of scary that I am going to break something by taking out what was there in the OnAcceptMessage()sub. I tried and tried to understand how the scripting works and what "new calls" are and if these long phrases like "addMLPrefixToSubj...

michaeljwyo

Thank you for replying, Matt. I did manage to get it to work. What I didn't get (it wasn't mentioned in the post) is that you need to REPLACE the whole "onacceptmessage" sub with the one here. I had tried adding it, and that didn't work. I tried adding the line to the current one, and that didn't wo...

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